tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post4752335211130832220..comments2024-03-22T01:17:01.667-05:00Comments on Georgette's Jiu Jitsu World: An open letter to Lloyd and Luca.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-39218115207385796552013-01-26T12:51:42.019-06:002013-01-26T12:51:42.019-06:00I know Luca and he always seemed to be a logical i...I know Luca and he always seemed to be a logical individual but he seems like a total asshole in his defense of Lloyd. Funny thing is, in the latest issue of Gracie Mag there are two articles on the cover related to LI, one about the brown belt Kumite and another one about how to become successful in the fight game by Marcos Avellan. Lil. Great blog post, BTW. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-76011851640442692992013-01-26T05:19:26.082-06:002013-01-26T05:19:26.082-06:00Excellent blog post.
I am baffled as to how much d...Excellent blog post.<br />I am baffled as to how much denial surrounds these tragic incidents...<br /><br />The LI scheming sickens me; his supporters (victim blames) horrify me. Wake up.Bergleznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-62809987410675873772013-01-24T16:05:33.049-06:002013-01-24T16:05:33.049-06:00Jonathan Medina: Thank you for your thoughts. In...Jonathan Medina: Thank you for your thoughts. In response, I just want to say that I'm not criticizing your instructor because of his lack of immediate response after the NYE rape. I'm criticizing him FOR his immediate response-- namely, posting his testimonials on rape prevention seminars and buying lloydirvinrape.com. I'm also criticizing him for his participation in the gang rape in 1989. That's beyond just a "choice he made as a young adult." Don't minimize! If the shoe fits, he wears it. He takes responsibility (or not.) I could give a flip about how he runs his school-- you are entirely missing my point. I don't care about his marketing or his methods of coaching etc. You refer to Atalla's feeble "reputation murder." Again-- reputation suicide. Get back to training.<br /><br />To the anonymous guy who trains at TLI... I feel for you. Why are you locked in for a few years? did you sign a contract? In any case, I'm sorry. No one judges you-- we all pursue BJJ for different reasons and it's an individual judgment call where we should and can spend our time and efforts. If that's the only school you can safely and productively train at, then make that choice and don't let anyone guilt you for it. <br /><br />To the anonymous who says I'm just bitching: I didn't say you can't change your actions over a 20 year period. I said you can't change your real character, your heart. At twenty, you're not a KID... you're an adult. They say your personality is formed by the time you're 3 years old! So, maybe Lloyd realized the error of his gang-rapin' ways. Good for him. I hope that's true. I'm still disgusted by his CURRENT actions, refusal to accept responsibility for his actions in 1989, blame-shifting and victim-playing and whining and SEO-gaming, not to mention his tacit support of Phil Proctor calling Lloyd's survivor a dirty whore etc etc ... all in 2013. Obviously, his character didn't change. Proving my point.<br />Georgettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08705282002904234217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-52183552689051064342013-01-24T10:59:00.913-06:002013-01-24T10:59:00.913-06:00Your post is appreciated. Thank you so much for wr...Your post is appreciated. Thank you so much for writing, for informing and knowing your voice and then using it. I encourage my daughters - everyday - to do the same. <br /><br /> kcalloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18366973242410273822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-26860135532264350792013-01-24T09:38:58.188-06:002013-01-24T09:38:58.188-06:00I do believe Lloyd Irvin was facilitating a multi-...I do believe Lloyd Irvin was facilitating a multi-day MMA Millionaire Marketing event, immediately after the rape and after he learned what happened at his school... oh wait, he dropped everything he was doing to be by the victim's side and in his school. (sarcasm)<br /><br />Additionally, the format of his apology letter falls directly within his marketing strategy. The way it is written (the sentence flow, and abrupt line changes between sentences) and the use of the language to be that of an "8th grader" is all part of the marketing copyright he uses and suggests for others to use for school marketing. Also, the same format he uses for the propaganda to sell to those in his mentoring program, self-defense classes, and rape prevention seminars.<br /><br />David's response that you post, infuriates me only because he tries to intimidate people who have a contradictory response to what Lloyd Irvin says and to hid own posts by calling them "giggling girls at a quilting bee" which is part of the culture that makes the female gender seem to be weak and a negative label to cast on others.<br /><br />Also, dogs are pretty damn loyal and will stand up and protect their owners against intruders and people of bad intent, trying to cause harm on others. So I'll take the company of a dog any day.<br /><br />My spidey senses tell me to be warry of someone's character when I am seemingly being manipulated by them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-30656464772052658042013-01-24T08:01:44.133-06:002013-01-24T08:01:44.133-06:00Georgette,
You have perfectly summed up my feeling...Georgette,<br />You have perfectly summed up my feelings on this. He is much more concerned about defending his reputation then showing any real concern or compassion for his student. His real character has now been revealed. It would have been so much more meaningful had he kept it simple and straightforward, instead of this freaking overly dramatic prose where he tries to paint himself as the victim. I really love how the Gracie brothers addressed this, I simple "now we know and can't pretend we don't" is so much more validating then LI's ridiculous statement. <br /><br />Regarding the 1989 situation, he may have been found innocent, however his intent to rape was still there and that scares me. Had he been a witness who failed to call authorities, I would have thought him a scumbag, but NO he TRIED to rape her. THEN proceeds to blame it on youth and immaturity. If I were one of his female students, I would not feel secure training under him.Missynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-33326789322872579252013-01-24T05:54:19.594-06:002013-01-24T05:54:19.594-06:00Much respect for your stance.
Lloyds attempt to s...Much respect for your stance. <br />Lloyds attempt to solicit sympathy from this ordeal, truly reveals what a limp, sociopathic, piece of self aggrandizing human waste he IS, not WAS. He is still a great coach and marketer, and Hitler is still one of history's greatest orators. (rape is not the same thing as genocide, but I'm sure the point is not lost) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-65888674270355874912013-01-24T02:54:06.636-06:002013-01-24T02:54:06.636-06:00Honestly this line turned me off anything she was ...Honestly this line turned me off anything she was saying:<br /><br />"But I will NOT attempt to downplay my decisions as a 20 year old as being completely irrelevant to understanding my character. My foundation remains the same. People change how they choose to act, but they don't change what's inside their heart"<br /><br />As a complete aside to the actual discussion, to suggest that nobody is capable of total change over 20 years is absurd and comes across as pure bitching for the sake of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-44826725492655020882013-01-23T22:00:02.636-06:002013-01-23T22:00:02.636-06:00Hello Georgette, great post. As a fellow student o...Hello Georgette, great post. As a fellow student of a Royler/David blackbelt (Paul Abel) and lawyer, I am proud to see people from the bjj community voicing their displeasure with this fool. <br /><br />I'm quite hopeful that his shameful behavior will forever mark him with a scarlet letter in the jiujitsu world. <br /><br />On the bright side, at least jits now has a Team Cobra Kai!<br /><br />Roryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315002324087735355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-50923793059884936762013-01-23T21:34:31.229-06:002013-01-23T21:34:31.229-06:00I am a new fan Georgette. Good on you for not pull...I am a new fan Georgette. Good on you for not pulling any punches on your breakdown of that manipulative nonsense that Mr. Irvin is attempting to pass off as an apology. Innocent until proven guilty of course..but people in his positon have a responsibility to the public. His lack of sincere regret, genuine concern for the victims, and transparency of the events should really make the general public question his character.<br /><br />I just hope Karma turns out to be real. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-43773726382820197952013-01-23T18:58:26.768-06:002013-01-23T18:58:26.768-06:00Thank you. Honestly this was not, as you so well t...Thank you. Honestly this was not, as you so well tore apart, an apology. Lloyd Irvin is someone who got away with rape, and now thinks he can weasel his way out of this.<br /><br />He also has the gall to be sorry that everyone is mad at him, for the stupid things that he had done. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-59505864360971469282013-01-23T18:57:50.957-06:002013-01-23T18:57:50.957-06:00Thank you. Honestly this was not, as you so well t...Thank you. Honestly this was not, as you so well tore apart, an apology. Lloyd Irvin is someone who got away with rape, and now thinks he can weasel his way out of this.<br /><br />He also has the gall to be sorry that everyone is mad at him, for the stupid things that he had done. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-23326422939331723862013-01-23T18:28:43.880-06:002013-01-23T18:28:43.880-06:00Thanks for this. I can't tell you how importa...Thanks for this. I can't tell you how important it is right now to hear from women who train. burien top teamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14589670850573161338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-42004420611983812292013-01-23T17:51:31.675-06:002013-01-23T17:51:31.675-06:00Thanks for writing this. It is very telling that ...Thanks for writing this. It is very telling that those speaking out against Lloyd are much more articulate than those speaking on his behalf (including Lloyd' own half-assed "apology")Lono Lindseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-78078360380112732172013-01-23T17:44:09.395-06:002013-01-23T17:44:09.395-06:00Thank your for speaking on behalf of the many good...Thank your for speaking on behalf of the many good people that, for what ever reason, choose to be silent but feel the same way you do.Steve Kardianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16221149837723690023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-74715467767686233572013-01-23T17:17:11.967-06:002013-01-23T17:17:11.967-06:00Here's an issue I have. People are so quick to...Here's an issue I have. People are so quick to join this mob mentality and slander someone's name, reputation and all they have worked for because they don't agree with their lack of addressing the situation or the choices they made as a young adult. So what if Graciemag and TLI r doing business together. So what if Lloyd is not talking about his actions in 1989. Obviously TLI or any MMA academy does not promote rape, so why do you care so much about how he runs his school? Those are all subjects that are irrelevant to 2 dumb asses raping a girl after they left a club. Every single person that has chosen their side has an underlying motive. The world is a fucked up place and we especially as martial artists should know that by now. The BJJ community cannot be represented as one whole body that has the same opinions, but to murder someones reputation on accounts that most do not know 100% about just makes you an asshole. I often think that all I have in common with most of the people I train bjj with is just that! We both like BJJ and that's about it. What I'm most disgusted with in this entire situation is how the BJJ community is handling this. Name calling, side taking, bullying, business gaining and straight bullshit talking. Let's get back to the reason we love this sport, the reason we love martial arts and the reason we are even on this page. Let the people involved grieve and the rest get back to TRAINING!!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188685897348515714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-90859021601726878502013-01-23T17:16:18.456-06:002013-01-23T17:16:18.456-06:00Here's an issue I have. People are so quick to...Here's an issue I have. People are so quick to join this mob mentality and slander someone's name, reputation and all they have worked for because they don't agree with their lack of addressing the situation or the choices they made as a young adult. So what if Graciemag and TLI r doing business together. So what if Lloyd is not talking about his actions in 1989. Obviously TLI or any MMA academy does not promote rape, so why do you care so much about how he runs his school? Those are all subjects that are irrelevant to 2 dumb asses raping a girl after they left a club. Every single person that has chosen their side has an underlying motive. The world is a fucked up place and we especially as martial artists should know that by now. The BJJ community cannot be represented as one whole body that has the same opinions, but to murder someones reputation on accounts that most do not know 100% about just makes you an asshole. I often think that all I have in common with most of the people I train bjj with is just that! We both like BJJ and that's about it. What I'm most disgusted with in this entire situation is how the BJJ community is handling this. Name calling, side taking, bullying, business gaining and straight bullshit talking. Let's get back to the reason we love this sport, the reason we love martial arts and the reason we are even on this page. Let the people involved grieve and the rest get back to TRAINING!!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188685897348515714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-46902788210004624762013-01-23T16:37:46.145-06:002013-01-23T16:37:46.145-06:00Well said, Georgette! I share a good many of your ...Well said, Georgette! I share a good many of your views on the matter, and am glad to see others speaking out. <br /><br /><br /><br />Relax On The Mathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17032740135953379906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-10038931625394912232013-01-23T16:16:27.741-06:002013-01-23T16:16:27.741-06:00I'm a student an a TLI affiliate, just a lowly...I'm a student an a TLI affiliate, just a lowly white belt. And you know what, I do worry about all the things you are talking about. Though more from a reputation and affiliation perspective, since I am an older male and pretty confident in my knowledge of right and wrong. You know what else, there isn't another convenient gym near by and my instructor isn't Lloyd. I like my instructor, and even if I didn't, I'm locked in for a few years. <br /><br />I don't blame you all for the vitriol against Lloyd Irvin, but I'll bet there are a bunch of people like me feeling very uncomfortable right now. You'll forgive me for remaining anonymous, I hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-2601022625549462662013-01-23T15:45:48.288-06:002013-01-23T15:45:48.288-06:00I'm an attorney, married to an engineer. I do...I'm an attorney, married to an engineer. I don't need BJJ or blogs for money. But thanks, TLI Follower #51, for your kind concern!Georgettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08705282002904234217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-42843463992659108972013-01-23T15:44:48.574-06:002013-01-23T15:44:48.574-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.ElfControlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02113016240857929648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-65419334061973043562013-01-23T15:41:01.272-06:002013-01-23T15:41:01.272-06:00Great writing as always and I agree with most of y...Great writing as always and I agree with most of your critique. The only thing I do not agree with is giving LI a hard time for keeping the 1989 situation a secret. It is ridiculous to expect him to willingly volunteer this info to his students or the general public. What he did when he was 20, however terrible, really has nothing to do with his current business now. I don't really know what it is like at his academy. I would not train there. But I probably would not have trained there prior to all this either, since it seems like his style is not for me. I do think, however, whether his statement is BS or not, it is time to move on. For me anyway.Jennifer Fremonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17777634317018211883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-37767727279181826202013-01-23T15:38:37.765-06:002013-01-23T15:38:37.765-06:00The funny thing is, I've never heard of you in...The funny thing is, I've never heard of you in blogging world or in the BJJ community until you harped on this subject. <br /><br />Maybe you should buy a ticket to one of Lloyd's infomarketing seminars to learn how to harness this newfound online publicity to monetize your site?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-87870391114341684152013-01-23T15:07:48.845-06:002013-01-23T15:07:48.845-06:00Someone should make a meme with Lloyd's pictur...Someone should make a meme with Lloyd's picture saying "Hide your kids, hide your wife"...just sayin'!<br /><br />Oh, and that was a very thorough, well-spoken response, Georgette. Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03982643863204837704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30740798.post-76451888212163265812013-01-23T15:06:48.838-06:002013-01-23T15:06:48.838-06:00[quote] Anonymous said...
He was a 20 year old kid...[quote] Anonymous said...<br />He was a 20 year old kid when he DIDN'T rape a girl. <br />Two of his students commited a horrible act that he did not condone or encourage. This is nonsense. [/quote]<br /><br />Not for lack of trying......Iron Turtlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02180856481053435358noreply@blogger.com