Wednesday, January 23, 2013

An open letter to Lloyd and Luca.


Dear Lloyd and Luca,

Lloyd's apologia begins as follows, and my responses in bold:

"I first want to apologize.
I want to apologize
to my mother,
to my father,
to my wife
and
to my son for my silence.
The public taunting & harassing phone calls you have received are undeserved and my recent silence is partly to blame.
I have in fact made statements in the local news
but those statements have not reached everyone
in our BJJ & MMA family and this is the reason my silence ends today..."

Why the fuck
do you write
as if you were an eighth grader
imitating Ogden Nash
entering
your first poetry contest?
Would this not have been more powerful
if written 
in 
haiku form?

And how fucking sad that you frame your complaint as an apology... you adopt this veil of humility and regret but really, you're just whining about people not understanding you!  Yes, I agree, it's wrong for people to harass your relatives-- it's not their fault.  But really, Lloyd, people aren't complaining about your silence about Nick and Mateo!  Yes yes we all know you deplored their actions and vowed to support your student/survivor in that first media comment.  THAT'S NOT THE SILENCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.  (Sorry for shouting, seems like you're just not hearing us.)  It's the silence about your own past, and about the comments of your students like Marcus Avellan and Phil Proctor, and about your tactless and opportunistic purchase of LloydIrvinRape.com that bothers me the most.

"One of my biggest priorities in these past couple of weeks has been to express to her my sincere and deepest apology. And that too is what this letter is about.
I want to publicly apologize to her for me not knowing, not sensing, and not having the awareness to know that this was even possible."

Straw man bullshit.  No one expects you to have known or sensed this.  You're not a mind-reader.  And of course you had the awareness that this was possible... you teach RAPE PREVENTION.  You're just falling on a nonexistent sword to appease the masses with how wonderful you are, how sincere, how sympathetic.

"It has been reported that a video (as of the time I am releasing this letter, I have not seen the video nor has the case been resolved) that was described in the recent court documents shows that this was a deplorable and disgraceful act committed by two individuals who acted OUTSIDE the code of honor of our team, NOT within it."

First of all, that video is not ever going to be released until it becomes evidence admitted in court and thus part of public record.  If those boys take a plea, it may never be admitted as evidence and we may never see it.  Second, to make such a big deal of the guys acting "outside the code of honor" is just your attempt to avoid future civil liability for the actions of your employees.  Since I'm not a personal liability or employment law specialist, I'll leave the legal analysis of such possibilities to them.

"One of the accused had been with me for barely a month and the other for a total time of barely seven months..."

Can anyone verify or confirm this?

"This young woman who needs my support, my team’s support and your support should be the ONLY thing we are talking about, thinking about & praying about right now but unfortunately as you know I have become a significant portion of this discussion for something that happened in 1989."

I disagree.  Yes, she's obviously important, but aside from our prayers, there's nothing we can do to help her.  Talking about an anonymous survivor makes no sense and isn't going to assist her healing process.  But-- talking about Lloyd's actions and Lloyd's choices?  That is an interesting and productive pursuit, one which I am sure you wish we'd just give up.  Because you're obviously planning on staying active in the community.  What kind of character has he displayed?  Sure, he's created a business empire and coached a number of talented individuals to high honors.  He's taught in a martial arts academy and been paid to do so.  He's also participated in the gang rape of a 17 year old, granted twenty years ago.  What do we know about his rehabilitation, if any?  What do any of the readers of this blog really know about the rehabilitation of sex offenders?  

"From this point forward I anticipate that
anything I say will be ripped apart and shredded by those who either have an axe to grind,
aren’t focused on prevention of violence/rape against women or even may simply not care about the truth."

Haha, none of those sobriquets apply to me.  I have no axe to grind, I've been a rape crisis/domestic violence counselor since 1993-1994, and as a survivor of sexual assault, a prosecutor, and a woman in the BJJ community, I care very much about the truth.  What a shoddy attempt to demonize your critics!

"The truth is that nobody knows much of the real story of New Years Eve 2012 nor the incident of 1989 at all."

Haha again... actually, at least three people know the real story of NYE 2012 (but that's not what we're here to discuss.)  And MANY more know the real story of the "incident" of 1989-- more accurately, the "gang rape" of 1989.    Let's see-- the survivor, the other men who participated, not to mention the juries and the prosecutors and the police involved.  They all know at least a good chunk of what happened.

"What I am about to share with you IS an eyewitness account of what REALLY happened 23 years ago."

Ooh, the first time I read this, I thought-- dang, this is why your lawyers wanted you to shut up.  But of course now we all know you did NOT share anything remotely like an eyewitness account.  So, your lawyers had nothing to worry about.

"I’m not saying this to excuse my choices and decisions, as that’s simply not possible.
I am saying my life and my foundation was different as an uncertain 20 year old than it is now as a father, husband and mentor at 43."

Lloyd, I'm 40.  I'm a wife, struggling to be a mother, and in some ways I think I am a mentor as well.  I'm not cut out for a future in politics, as I definitely made my share of bad choices.  But I will NOT attempt to downplay my decisions as a 20 year old as being completely irrelevant to understanding my character.  My foundation remains the same.  People change how they choose to act, but they don't change what's inside their heart.  If you don't understand that what you did at 20 was wrong, now as a 43 year old father/husband/mentor, then your heart has not changed.  And I'm not hearing anything from you that owns up to wrongdoing.  I hear a lot of "I'm telling the truth, which I told then, and I did not rape her, I did not have sex with her."  In other words, you're still defending yourself.  You're still insisting you did nothing wrong.  So yay for you, you may have chosen to act like an upstanding person ever since... but sometimes your heart still snags control of the steering wheel.  Your passionate plea for "understanding" reveals that you still don't think you deserve any moral blame for that gang rape in 1989.  So sad.

"I told the truth 23 years ago
to my mother
to my father and
under oath in a court of law and I’m telling the truth today.
I’m telling you the same thing I told the jury and the truth that is STILL on record."

I believe I read that you testified (truthfully, we are told) that you wanted to have sex with that girl and you tried to have sex with her but you couldn't get an erection.  That truth is hardly flattering to your character and soul. 

"I did NOT rape nor have sex with ANYONE involved in the 1989 incident cannot and should not be brushed under the carpet.
I told the 100% unadulterated truth, just as I’m sharing with you right now.
I did NOT “get off on a technicality” as some want to say.
Please understand...
Before my trial in 1989 I was offered a plea bargain for “lesser time”..."

Um, you want a cookie because you couldn't get it up?  I think you deserve our moral outrage because you WANTED to rape her.  And you don't even get that you weren't going to have "sex" with her.  It was RAPE.

And by the way-- what no one seems to realize is that, with multiple codefendants, there are ALMOST ALWAYS multiple trials.  Defendants want to be able to blame each other, you see.  So it's not like there was ONE trial of all these guys.  SEVERAL juries heard the evidence.  This girl had to get up and testify against you rapists not once, but several times.  Several different defense lawyers got to cross examine her and come up with random theories of why it wasn't rape.  I'm SURE the "running a train" theory aka "she's a dirty whore who wanted it" story came up several times.  And several juries rejected it.  


I said “no, no dad I didn’t rape her, I didn’t.” And with that he said...
“then you will not say you did.”

Number one I'm sorry your dad had to even ask you if you raped her.  I guess that's kind of telling.

Number two, did your dad think to ask whether you wanted to? whether you tried and failed?

"...and as part of that continued changing
will be my deep and sincere
commitment to the woman who needs our support most right now and my promise to spend
the rest of my days doing what I can to
prevent any woman from ever
experiencing anything even remotely similar.
People are often quick to say “actions speak louder than words”... and in this case I have 16 years of publicly visible
actions as a martial artist, as a teacher, a coach,
a husband, a father, a mentor and an advocate...
and in the end while my actions don’t ERASE the past,
those actions DO demonstrate the DIFFERENCE between
the man writing this statement and
the boy who failed to live up to the standards his mother and father set for him."

This is one of the few things he says that strikes me as sincere and honorable.  I don't know how much credit he should get for doing what's right (isn't that the bare minimum we expect of our citizens?) but I know I would have given him a LOT MORE respect if he had ever owned up to his past before being FORCED to by SEO.  But then I think this-- lots of abusers and rapists seem perfectly upstanding to the people around them.  They're always shocked to find out their loved one had another side.  So I guess I'm still uncomfortable with the idea that Lloyd is teaching women (who may have already been assaulted) how to avoid assaults in the future.  That just creeps me the fuck out.  And it totally makes me wonder about most of the men teaching self defense.  How utterly skeevy it would be to find out your teacher was once a rapist himself!!!!!

"please ask yourself to remember the most embarrassing and frightening moment of your entire life and then ask yourself exactly where is it appropriate in EVERY relationship you engage in to bring up that moment/circumstance for the rest of your life.
My wife has known about 1989 since we first met. My closest friends have known for years.
Even some of my enemies have known.
Nothing about this has been hidden."

If it was embarrassing, then you know you did something wrong, which seems to contradict the position you took above.  If it was frightening, it wasn't because you were the victim (imagine how frightened that 17 year old girl was) but because you'd been caught.  If it wasn't hidden, why is the internet on fire talking about it, why isn't it "oh yeah, I knew that." I'm glad you were honest about your past with the people close to you.  I know I would not have taken any rape prevention seminars, self defense classes, or BJJ lessons from you (not that I have) if I had known you were a rapist in thought if not in deed.  How many of your actual students or seminar attendees would feel the same?  so did you hide this information from them for monetary gain?  Of course.

"The long and short of it was this...
The reason I purchased the url was singular.
I didn’t like the tone and tenor of things online
(but still felt I could not speak publicly about anything) and I simply didn’t want someone else in control of
the name my Son and I share in association with
the current or 1989 situation."

You said it more concisely than anyone else could have.  You didn't like what people were saying and you didn't want a search for Lloyd Irvin rape to come up with the facts of the 2012 rape or the 1989 rape.  How convenient to have such a search reveal what an upstanding guy you are.

"In closing,
I want to directly and specifically speak to my brothers and sisters in the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu community. I am sorry, truly sorry for the shadow this casts over our great art, sport and lifestyle that we lead."

I don't think it casts a shadow on BJJ.  People outside of BJJ don't know the difference, all the news reports refer to a martial arts academy, and I don't think it will affect non-BJJ people really.  But within BJJ, we all know it's not BJJ's fault.  Bad apples can be found in any barrel.  

Nowhere in your open letter did you express any regret or apology for what happened to that girl in 1989.

And now, Luca Atalla's open letter. (Ryan Hall created a trend!) Luca apparently speaks for Gracie Mag.  I encourage you to read it and all the comments, which I won't repeat in their entirety here. In short, whatever damage was done to Lloyd's reputation was self-inflicted.   

Lloyd's followers and defenders display a disturbing trend-- arrogance.  Check this one response from "David" about 3/4 down the page:

"It’s really clear…It’s so obviously clear, those who live in glass houses seem to want to do and say everything within their power to insult, degrade and defame someone who is doing more with their life than the rest of us…It’s so obviously transparent and totally tragic…You can talk about a man’s past, karma, and what goes around comes around – whatever – but at the end of the day, 99% of all the critics, those that throw the first stone and those who for whatever emptiness exists in their own lives, love to bring another person down, you cannot deny – He is Lloyd Irvin, and those that comment, the dissenters and all the whining, useless, gossipy finger pointers, remain nobodies…Nothing..Unless you’ve made a positive impact in this life, unless you’ve made any wide impact at all, you remain, giggling girls at a quilting bee who prefer to point fingers while others lead…It’s a fact, face it…It’s just a fact. You’re talking about HIM, while nobody is talking about YOU…Sleep with that…Live with that…Remember that before the next stupid word comes out of your mouth…Dogs always make a lot of noise and that is their nature…Pity that no dog beyond Lassie is worthy of note…Or is the answer simply obvious? Anybody with the stupidity to further comment on my point, has proven my point…It’s that simple. Go do something with your own life and quit fooling yourself that you’re somehow better by mocking another, so you don’t choke on your own lack of achievement…"

We're talking about Lloyd for bad reasons, not good ones.  He's "achieved" notoriety.  I'd rather be a nobody.




 

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

You're a fucking idiot, do really have nothing better to do?

Brendan said...

Brilliant work, Georgette.

I think David needs to read a history book. More people on this Earth will know Hitler than will know me. Does that make him better than me?

I feel like arguing with his cultists is like arguing with 8th graders.

Also, does "David" even know that his statement is a perfect example of what Ryan Hall wrote about? About how martial arts leaders get paid for what they do and we feel like their providing of that service is some sort of moral achievement? Unbelievable.

Georgette said...
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Meerkatsu said...

I'd rather be an idiot than a rapist.

ironmanbret said...

excellent critique.

ever notice how the rapist apologist all resort to ad hominem attacks like "you're a fucking idiot" instead of addressing the actual issues raised? they really do seem, for a lack of a better word, stupid.

madgrappler said...

Hi, I tried to respond in the comments of Lucas site, but for some reason can't.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/lloyd-irvins-students-accused-brutal-rape-part-4-a-2359359/

The first post of this thread is links to all known info, followed by a long discussion of it including commentary by several lawyers.

dokomoy said...

Great response Georgette. I'm glad someone took the time to call Lloyd and Luca on there bullshit.

2 Quick points

1)I don't know what the purpose behind it is, but Lloyd uses the same weird formatting in his marketing emails as he did in his "letter"

2)I don't know exactly how long those guys where part of TLI, maybe he's fudging it a bit, but it sounds about right. One of the guys Matt Maldenado(spelling?) fought in the nogi worlds in November under Alliance. I don't know exactly when he made the jump, but based on that he couldn't have been at TLI very long.

Georgette said...

Thanks, Madgrappler. [Maybe you've been blocked? That would be high praise ;) ]

Georgette said...

Thanks Dokomoy!

Marie said...

Well written Georgette, not that I expected anything else.

To me, this whole letter reeked of blatant manipulation, and as such, I wasn't able to take it as anything sincere - except for the part when he mentioned he bought the specific URL to control the SEO portion of this. That was all that really rang true. From the framing device of a letter to his son, to the short, choppy sentences designed to make it "conversational", and finally with the emotional talk of his parents, it was all so Psych 101 level of unsubtle that I can't even imagine who it would work on. Has he not noticed that the BJJ community tends to skew educated?

Marie said...

Well written Georgette, not that I expected anything else.

To me, this whole letter reeked of blatant manipulation, and as such, I wasn't able to take it as anything sincere - except for the part when he mentioned he bought the specific URL to control the SEO portion of this. That was all that really rang true. From the framing device of a letter to his son, to the short, choppy sentences designed to make it "conversational", and finally with the emotional talk of his parents, it was all so Psych 101 level of unsubtle that I can't even imagine who it would work on.

Has he not noticed that the BJJ community tends to skew educated? (At least, it seems that way to me.)

Anonymous said...

He was a 20 year old kid when he DIDN'T rape a girl.
Two of his students commited a horrible act that he did not condone or encourage. This is nonsense.

John said...

It's disgusting how some people in the Martial Arts World are supporting Lloyd Irvin's gang rape.

What we need to do is email the IBJJF and get Lloyd Irvin banned for life from ever coaching again. There's no way this guy should be coaching in the IBJJF.

email for them is: ibjjf@ibjjf.com

Georgette said...

Love how some people choose to remain anonymous.

Nope. Legally, he didn't rape her. So he's some kind of angel? a fine, upstanding citizen, because he wasn't upstanding at the moment of truth?

Hahaha, he gives me so much to work with. I don't even deserve credit for that witticism.

Iron Turtle said...

[quote] Anonymous said...
He was a 20 year old kid when he DIDN'T rape a girl.
Two of his students commited a horrible act that he did not condone or encourage. This is nonsense. [/quote]

Not for lack of trying.

Iron Turtle said...

[quote] Anonymous said...
He was a 20 year old kid when he DIDN'T rape a girl.
Two of his students commited a horrible act that he did not condone or encourage. This is nonsense. [/quote]

Not for lack of trying......

Mary said...

Someone should make a meme with Lloyd's picture saying "Hide your kids, hide your wife"...just sayin'!

Oh, and that was a very thorough, well-spoken response, Georgette.

Anonymous said...

The funny thing is, I've never heard of you in blogging world or in the BJJ community until you harped on this subject.

Maybe you should buy a ticket to one of Lloyd's infomarketing seminars to learn how to harness this newfound online publicity to monetize your site?

Jenn said...

Great writing as always and I agree with most of your critique. The only thing I do not agree with is giving LI a hard time for keeping the 1989 situation a secret. It is ridiculous to expect him to willingly volunteer this info to his students or the general public. What he did when he was 20, however terrible, really has nothing to do with his current business now. I don't really know what it is like at his academy. I would not train there. But I probably would not have trained there prior to all this either, since it seems like his style is not for me. I do think, however, whether his statement is BS or not, it is time to move on. For me anyway.

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Georgette said...

I'm an attorney, married to an engineer. I don't need BJJ or blogs for money. But thanks, TLI Follower #51, for your kind concern!

Anonymous said...

I'm a student an a TLI affiliate, just a lowly white belt. And you know what, I do worry about all the things you are talking about. Though more from a reputation and affiliation perspective, since I am an older male and pretty confident in my knowledge of right and wrong. You know what else, there isn't another convenient gym near by and my instructor isn't Lloyd. I like my instructor, and even if I didn't, I'm locked in for a few years.

I don't blame you all for the vitriol against Lloyd Irvin, but I'll bet there are a bunch of people like me feeling very uncomfortable right now. You'll forgive me for remaining anonymous, I hope.

Relax On The Mat said...

Well said, Georgette! I share a good many of your views on the matter, and am glad to see others speaking out.



Jonathan Medina said...

Here's an issue I have. People are so quick to join this mob mentality and slander someone's name, reputation and all they have worked for because they don't agree with their lack of addressing the situation or the choices they made as a young adult. So what if Graciemag and TLI r doing business together. So what if Lloyd is not talking about his actions in 1989. Obviously TLI or any MMA academy does not promote rape, so why do you care so much about how he runs his school? Those are all subjects that are irrelevant to 2 dumb asses raping a girl after they left a club. Every single person that has chosen their side has an underlying motive. The world is a fucked up place and we especially as martial artists should know that by now. The BJJ community cannot be represented as one whole body that has the same opinions, but to murder someones reputation on accounts that most do not know 100% about just makes you an asshole. I often think that all I have in common with most of the people I train bjj with is just that! We both like BJJ and that's about it. What I'm most disgusted with in this entire situation is how the BJJ community is handling this. Name calling, side taking, bullying, business gaining and straight bullshit talking. Let's get back to the reason we love this sport, the reason we love martial arts and the reason we are even on this page. Let the people involved grieve and the rest get back to TRAINING!!!!

Jonathan Medina said...

Here's an issue I have. People are so quick to join this mob mentality and slander someone's name, reputation and all they have worked for because they don't agree with their lack of addressing the situation or the choices they made as a young adult. So what if Graciemag and TLI r doing business together. So what if Lloyd is not talking about his actions in 1989. Obviously TLI or any MMA academy does not promote rape, so why do you care so much about how he runs his school? Those are all subjects that are irrelevant to 2 dumb asses raping a girl after they left a club. Every single person that has chosen their side has an underlying motive. The world is a fucked up place and we especially as martial artists should know that by now. The BJJ community cannot be represented as one whole body that has the same opinions, but to murder someones reputation on accounts that most do not know 100% about just makes you an asshole. I often think that all I have in common with most of the people I train bjj with is just that! We both like BJJ and that's about it. What I'm most disgusted with in this entire situation is how the BJJ community is handling this. Name calling, side taking, bullying, business gaining and straight bullshit talking. Let's get back to the reason we love this sport, the reason we love martial arts and the reason we are even on this page. Let the people involved grieve and the rest get back to TRAINING!!!!

Steve Kardian said...

Thank your for speaking on behalf of the many good people that, for what ever reason, choose to be silent but feel the same way you do.

Lono Lindsey said...

Thanks for writing this. It is very telling that those speaking out against Lloyd are much more articulate than those speaking on his behalf (including Lloyd' own half-assed "apology")

sN said...

Thanks for this. I can't tell you how important it is right now to hear from women who train.

Anonymous said...

Thank you. Honestly this was not, as you so well tore apart, an apology. Lloyd Irvin is someone who got away with rape, and now thinks he can weasel his way out of this.

He also has the gall to be sorry that everyone is mad at him, for the stupid things that he had done.

Anonymous said...

Thank you. Honestly this was not, as you so well tore apart, an apology. Lloyd Irvin is someone who got away with rape, and now thinks he can weasel his way out of this.

He also has the gall to be sorry that everyone is mad at him, for the stupid things that he had done.

Anonymous said...

I am a new fan Georgette. Good on you for not pulling any punches on your breakdown of that manipulative nonsense that Mr. Irvin is attempting to pass off as an apology. Innocent until proven guilty of course..but people in his positon have a responsibility to the public. His lack of sincere regret, genuine concern for the victims, and transparency of the events should really make the general public question his character.

I just hope Karma turns out to be real.

Rory said...

Hello Georgette, great post. As a fellow student of a Royler/David blackbelt (Paul Abel) and lawyer, I am proud to see people from the bjj community voicing their displeasure with this fool.

I'm quite hopeful that his shameful behavior will forever mark him with a scarlet letter in the jiujitsu world.

On the bright side, at least jits now has a Team Cobra Kai!

Anonymous said...

Honestly this line turned me off anything she was saying:

"But I will NOT attempt to downplay my decisions as a 20 year old as being completely irrelevant to understanding my character. My foundation remains the same. People change how they choose to act, but they don't change what's inside their heart"

As a complete aside to the actual discussion, to suggest that nobody is capable of total change over 20 years is absurd and comes across as pure bitching for the sake of it.

Anonymous said...

Much respect for your stance.
Lloyds attempt to solicit sympathy from this ordeal, truly reveals what a limp, sociopathic, piece of self aggrandizing human waste he IS, not WAS. He is still a great coach and marketer, and Hitler is still one of history's greatest orators. (rape is not the same thing as genocide, but I'm sure the point is not lost)

Missy said...

Georgette,
You have perfectly summed up my feelings on this. He is much more concerned about defending his reputation then showing any real concern or compassion for his student. His real character has now been revealed. It would have been so much more meaningful had he kept it simple and straightforward, instead of this freaking overly dramatic prose where he tries to paint himself as the victim. I really love how the Gracie brothers addressed this, I simple "now we know and can't pretend we don't" is so much more validating then LI's ridiculous statement.

Regarding the 1989 situation, he may have been found innocent, however his intent to rape was still there and that scares me. Had he been a witness who failed to call authorities, I would have thought him a scumbag, but NO he TRIED to rape her. THEN proceeds to blame it on youth and immaturity. If I were one of his female students, I would not feel secure training under him.

Anonymous said...

I do believe Lloyd Irvin was facilitating a multi-day MMA Millionaire Marketing event, immediately after the rape and after he learned what happened at his school... oh wait, he dropped everything he was doing to be by the victim's side and in his school. (sarcasm)

Additionally, the format of his apology letter falls directly within his marketing strategy. The way it is written (the sentence flow, and abrupt line changes between sentences) and the use of the language to be that of an "8th grader" is all part of the marketing copyright he uses and suggests for others to use for school marketing. Also, the same format he uses for the propaganda to sell to those in his mentoring program, self-defense classes, and rape prevention seminars.

David's response that you post, infuriates me only because he tries to intimidate people who have a contradictory response to what Lloyd Irvin says and to hid own posts by calling them "giggling girls at a quilting bee" which is part of the culture that makes the female gender seem to be weak and a negative label to cast on others.

Also, dogs are pretty damn loyal and will stand up and protect their owners against intruders and people of bad intent, trying to cause harm on others. So I'll take the company of a dog any day.

My spidey senses tell me to be warry of someone's character when I am seemingly being manipulated by them.

kcallos said...

Your post is appreciated. Thank you so much for writing, for informing and knowing your voice and then using it. I encourage my daughters - everyday - to do the same.

Georgette said...

Jonathan Medina: Thank you for your thoughts. In response, I just want to say that I'm not criticizing your instructor because of his lack of immediate response after the NYE rape. I'm criticizing him FOR his immediate response-- namely, posting his testimonials on rape prevention seminars and buying lloydirvinrape.com. I'm also criticizing him for his participation in the gang rape in 1989. That's beyond just a "choice he made as a young adult." Don't minimize! If the shoe fits, he wears it. He takes responsibility (or not.) I could give a flip about how he runs his school-- you are entirely missing my point. I don't care about his marketing or his methods of coaching etc. You refer to Atalla's feeble "reputation murder." Again-- reputation suicide. Get back to training.

To the anonymous guy who trains at TLI... I feel for you. Why are you locked in for a few years? did you sign a contract? In any case, I'm sorry. No one judges you-- we all pursue BJJ for different reasons and it's an individual judgment call where we should and can spend our time and efforts. If that's the only school you can safely and productively train at, then make that choice and don't let anyone guilt you for it.

To the anonymous who says I'm just bitching: I didn't say you can't change your actions over a 20 year period. I said you can't change your real character, your heart. At twenty, you're not a KID... you're an adult. They say your personality is formed by the time you're 3 years old! So, maybe Lloyd realized the error of his gang-rapin' ways. Good for him. I hope that's true. I'm still disgusted by his CURRENT actions, refusal to accept responsibility for his actions in 1989, blame-shifting and victim-playing and whining and SEO-gaming, not to mention his tacit support of Phil Proctor calling Lloyd's survivor a dirty whore etc etc ... all in 2013. Obviously, his character didn't change. Proving my point.

Berglez said...

Excellent blog post.
I am baffled as to how much denial surrounds these tragic incidents...

The LI scheming sickens me; his supporters (victim blames) horrify me. Wake up.

Anonymous said...

I know Luca and he always seemed to be a logical individual but he seems like a total asshole in his defense of Lloyd. Funny thing is, in the latest issue of Gracie Mag there are two articles on the cover related to LI, one about the brown belt Kumite and another one about how to become successful in the fight game by Marcos Avellan. Lil. Great blog post, BTW.

Anonymous said...

You're an idiot, you're a total idiot with too much time on your hands. Try decoupage, it might give you something practical and enlightening to do with your time. If your husband truly is an engineer, perhaps you might ask him what that light is at the end of the tunnel. Are you such a sub-standard attorney that you have nothing better to do than intellectually masturbate about absolutely nothing? Idiot.