Chat with the author of the rape apologia on BJPenn.com, Daneul Summers

·         Conversation started Tuesday

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2/11, 9:34pm

Georgette Oden

Hey... just wondering if you're willing to talk with me about a piece you wrote for BJPenn.com?

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2/11, 9:37pm

Daneul Summers

Yeah sure. What's up?

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2/11, 9:38pm

Georgette Oden

I'm talking about your piece regarding the civil suit stemming from the NYE [ALLEGED] rape by Schultz and Maldonado...

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2/11, 9:39pm

Georgette Oden

this one: http://www.bjpenn.com/alleged-tli-rpe-survivor-files-civil-suit-against-those-responsible/

Alleged TLI Rape Survivor Files Civil Suit Against Those Responsible

www.bjpenn.com

The trouble continues in the Team Lloyd Irvin scandal as an alleged survivor in the rape case has surfaced and filed a civil suit on December 30th of 2013 a

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2/11, 9:39pm

Georgette Oden

I'm just curious about a lot of things you wrote in it...

who did you get your legal information from?

I don't mean the legal status of the criminal and civil proceedings. I mean your interpretations of the legal proceedings and the rationales for parties' choices.

hello?

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2/11, 10:11pm

Daneul Summers

Sorry. I was in the middle of cooking dinner.

I used some insensitive wording in that article. I apologize to anyone that I offended by writing that story.

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2/11, 10:32pm

Georgette Oden

Hey no worries, I'm on east coast time, didn't mean to interrupt.

Have you considered writing a public retraction and apology?

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2/11, 10:36pm

Daneul Summers

It's all good bub. I've greatly considered it, but I've decided- with the advisement of my publicist- that what I said wasn't a big enough deal to have to. Or so I thought. Listen, like I said, I used an insensitive tone when writing that story. However, I don't believe that it's necessary to print an apology, and a retraction is out of my hands.

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2/11, 10:37pm

Georgette Oden

Your publicist is leading you astray, bub...

But of course it's your choice.

Do you plan on a career in writing?

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2/11, 10:38pm

Daneul Summers

I do.

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2/11, 10:39pm

Georgette Oden

Then you realize not only the poor editing, but the insanely insensitive rape apologetics, will likely haunt you.

2/11, 10:40pm

Daneul Summers

Then at least I'll be remembered for something!

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2/11, 10:40pm

Georgette Oden

Oh that's funny srsly

Well played

Who else do you write for

I'm assuming not just the one site?

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2/11, 10:41pm

Daneul Summers

Yup. Just the one site. I'm working full time and going to school.

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2/11, 10:42pm

Georgette Oden

I hear doesn't pay well

One reason I continue working as a state employee (death penalty prosecutor)

What are you studying

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2/11, 10:44pm

Daneul Summers

Not at the moment. But I'm trying my best to get a foot in the door. I'm currently studying creative writing for the entertainment industry.

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2/11, 10:44pm

Georgette Oden

Where are you in school

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2/11, 10:45pm

Daneul Summers

Taking online classes at Full Sail University.

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2/11, 10:45pm

Georgette Oden

Really?

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2/11, 10:45pm

Daneul Summers

Listen, I didn't mean to offend anyone when writing that article.

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2/11, 10:46pm

Georgette Oden

Oh? Had you read a bunch of the background when you wrote it?

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2/11, 10:46pm

Daneul Summers

I used information readily available online. My wording was insensitive, but I assure you that I in no way condone the actions of those accused.

And yes really. Why do you ask?

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2/11, 10:47pm

Georgette Oden

Just never heard of doing online writing classes

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2/11, 10:48pm

Daneul Summers

And not extensive research. What was necessary to write the article and cover the portion of the story I was assigned.

It's a good school. Happy to be going there.

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2/11, 10:49pm

Georgette Oden

I imagine once done, you don't pursue a piece further...

But have you read Jake Rossen's work or Brent Brookhouse's work on these situations?

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2/11, 10:50pm

Daneul Summers

If I'm interested I do. I'm a fight fan. So I try to keep up with the news.

Not for this particular story, no. The story didn't catch my interest strong enough for me to pursue it further.

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2/11, 10:51pm

Georgette Oden

Huh. Ok.

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2/11, 10:52pm

Daneul Summers

Meaning...

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2/11, 10:53pm

Georgette Oden

I suspect if you read Rossen (The Cult of Lloyd Irvin) or my story stream on my blog or Brent's on Bloody Elbow, you might see it was a much more interesting story.

But I am biased

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2/11, 10:54pm

Daneul Summers

I'm sure it was. Again, I didn't mean to seem so insensitive.

How so?

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2/11, 10:55pm

Georgette Oden

Obviously I think it's interesting, having been writing about it over a year now

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2/11, 10:57pm

Daneul Summers

Very true. That story was the first I had even heard of the situation. I obviously didn't realize how deeply involved readers were with that story.

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2/11, 10:58pm

Georgette Oden

May I ask how old you are

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2/11, 10:59pm

Daneul Summers

26

Yourself?

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2/11, 11:00pm

Georgette Oden

41

I asked because this story would, I think, be draped in red flags to a more mature journalist

(I worked as a journalist before and during law school)

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2/11, 11:01pm

Daneul Summers

I'm just going to chock [sic] it up to being young and inexperienced and take this all as a learning experience

I should have been more aware of the importance of the story presented to me. For that blindness I cannot be apologetic enough.

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2/11, 11:06pm

Georgette Oden

For the record, I am posting this conversation in its entirety so your apology might be read by the survivor and other survivors, perhaps it will help ease the pain they felt.

Unless you would like to write a public one?

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2/11, 11:08pm

Daneul Summers

I would have liked you to tell me that you planned on sharing it  ;)

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2/11, 11:09pm

Georgette Oden

If you prefer I not, you're welcome to write your own, but it is nice that you apologized at least to someone, to at least one rape survivor...

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2/11, 11:14pm

Daneul Summers

You can go ahead. I apologize once again to anyone that I have offended. No creature ever deserves to be mistreated or abused. My whole heart goes out to anyone who has ever been violated by another. I'm in fact a sweet kid. I never meant to turn the stomachs or sting the hearts of my readers. They are my livelihood and I want them to see my name and recognize it in a positive sense with warm and admiration. Consider this my formal apology to anyone that I hurt or angered in any way.

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2/11, 11:15pm

Georgette Oden

Does that mean you think it's good news they won't be on a sex offender registry?

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2/11, 11:15pm

Daneul Summers

The only thing that I ask is that you do not bash BJPenn.com. I love those guys. My publicist is one of best guys I've ever met.

And there is the insensitive wording.

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2/11, 11:17pm

Georgette Oden

Well, they only should be embarrassed for the horrible editing and permitting so many errors of grammar, spelling etc in the final product.

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2/11, 11:17pm

Daneul Summers

Hell no I don't. Ok meant that they would see it as good news, not that it is in fact good news.

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2/11, 11:17pm

Georgette Oden

How about the timing of the civil suit?

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2/11, 11:17pm

Daneul Summers

I have been trying my best to remedy that within my own work.

Meaning?

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2/11, 11:18pm

Georgette Oden

(You'll recall your article did not say that they'd SEE it as good news, but that it WAS good news)

Your comments about her timing of the civil suit as intending to drag Lloyd Irvin through the mud as long as possible

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2/11, 11:19pm

Daneul Summers

Good news for them.

Basically saying that it was lucky for them.

Which was her intention. Why wouldn't it be? They deserve to be dragged through the mud.

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2/11, 11:21pm

Georgette Oden

Did you interview her?

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2/11, 11:21pm

Daneul Summers

I feel like the insensitive wording I used caused readers to twist my words.

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2/11, 11:21pm

Georgette Oden

Or any lawyers, to explain to you why the civil suit is filed when was?

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2/11, 11:21pm

Daneul Summers

Come on now.

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2/11, 11:22pm

Georgette Oden

Because I interviewed her....

So did Brent and Jake....

And you're making pretty big claims about her intent, so I assume... surely you wouldn't unless you'd actually talked to her?

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2/11, 11:23pm

Daneul Summers

And I'm a broke kid from a small town in Indiana...

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2/11, 11:23pm

Georgette Oden

Do you mean you think we paid her?

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2/11, 11:23pm

Daneul Summers

Now I simply feel like you're beating me down for a 250 word news blast.

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2/11, 11:24pm

Georgette Oden

Nah.

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2/11, 11:24pm

Daneul Summers

What? Lol. Wow...

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2/11, 11:24pm

Georgette Oden

There's much better news tonight

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2/11, 11:24pm

Daneul Summers

I'm implying that I no way have the means to be able to interview her.

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2/11, 11:24pm

Georgette Oden

Mateo Maldonado, the models, and Gotham, for three

You have the internet. And a phone. That's all you need.

You think I hop on planes.... ha state employee!

If you feel beaten, perhaps it's because I'm trying to show you that your errors weren't just sensitivity issues, but actual fundamental flaws in logic and factual knowledge, which could've been avoided with a little legwork....

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2/11, 11:27pm

Daneul Summers

Ma'am. It was a 250 word news blast. My job was to simply inform our readers about the civil suit. I have apologized time and time again for the insensitivity of my wording and tone in said article. I have learned my lesson and will be much more conscious of the news I deliver.

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2/11, 11:28pm

Georgette Oden

Awesome, that was my goal. Thanks

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2/11, 11:28pm

Daneul Summers

No ma'am, thank you

Don't be too harsh on me?

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2/11, 11:29pm

Georgette Oden

I won't editorialize, your conversation stands on its own legs

I'll post tomorrow probably

Georgetteoden.blogspot.com

Tonight is all for Mateo

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2/11, 11:30pm

Daneul Summers

Enlighten me.

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2/11, 11:31pm

Georgette Oden

Go look?

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2/11, 11:33pm

Daneul Summers

Will do Goodnight Ms. Oden. Believe me I've taken everything we've talked about to heart. Thank you for being kind. I hope you have a wonderful night.

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2/11, 11:33pm

Georgette Oden

The previous post contains a link to my interview with Nick Schultz. You're welcome, take care and good luck!

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2/11, 11:34pm

Daneul Summers

You too!

Sent from Messenger

Prancing around with models in NY Fashion Week... whaaaa?

No, no one hates on you because of your success (at what, exactly?) or your looks. In fact, as far as I know, you aren't actually hated. You're not important enough to merit the energy of hate.

 BUT... the energy that's spent making sure that people you train know about the accusation against you and Nick is energy well spent and directed at positive change. At protecting people who might otherwise be coming in for empowerment, self defense, recovery... people who might be mightily unhappy knowing you were accused of rape (and even if found "not guilty" you were not found "innocent." And you left your sexual partner to be dropped off, unconscious on a near-freezing parking garage floor, as if she were just trash.) Then again, they might be pleased as punch and fine with having you around them. But they ought to know.

 Did the models you "trained" in this article know? did you tell the journalist?

Mateo is a personal trainer at Gotham Gym in NYC.  Does his client here know?

He's also teaching BJJ at Gotham Gym in NYC.  Does Gotham know?

Surely F olana M iller knows.... right?

Please, especially if you're local to Gotham Gym (NYC), feel free to contact them and make sure they're aware of Mateo's past (yeah, he's still facing a massive civil lawsuit by the survivor.)

They're located at 600 Washington St, NY NY 10014, and you can call them at (646) 490-8500 or email founder Rob Piela at rob@gothamgymnyc.com and make sure you share this link to the arrest warrant:

http://www.fightopinion.com/2013/01/12/court-lloyd-irvin-students-rape/

Yeah, he was acquitted, though Nick is still facing charges.  But not guilty isn't innocent.  Not guilty is still a public relations disaster.

Sydnie Jones writing for WomensMMA did a nice piece on this horrific irony.   In it, she recounts the arrest warrant description of the surveillance camera footage:

"Additional information was discovered pertaining to the sexual assault of the Complainant. Further investigation revealed that the Complainant along with Defendants Schultz and Maldonado all walked into the garage driveway together. The garage driveway is located adjacent to 1725 Rhode Island Avenue, NW but is attached to the building located at 1717 Rhode Island Ave. NW. A security surveillance camera affixed to the ceiling captured the three of them as they walked into the garage driveway and out of the public’s view. The Complainant appeared to be staggering as defendant Maldonado walked next to her into the area with his arm around her. Defendant Maldonado appeared to be holding the Complainant up. Once inside of the location, Defendants Schultz and Maldonado then walked the Complainant to the far right corner of the garage driveway and positioned themselves and the Complainant next to the garage entrance gate.

While standing next to the gate, Defendant Maldonado stood behind the Complainant and began to undo his pants. Defendant Maldonado then pulled his pants down, grabbed the Complainant around her waist and began to have sexual intercourse with the Complainant. While Defendant Maldonado was engaging in sexual intercourse with the Complainant, Defendant Schultz began to undo his pants. Defendant Schultz then grabbed the Complainant by her hair and forced her head down to his crotch area to perform oral sex on him. This activity continued on for several minutes, after which Defendant Maldonado disengaged. The Complainant then fell to the ground, at which time Defendant Maldonado pulled his pants up and walked away, leaving Defendant Schultz and the Complainant at the location.

After defendant Maldonado’s departure, defendant Schultz stayed behind and continued to force the Complainant to perform oral sex. The Complainant then fell to her knees, at which time defendant Schultz also got on his knees, positioned himself behind the Complainant and began to have sexual intercourse with her while grabbing and holding the Complainant by her waist. While continuing to engage in sexual intercourse with the Complainant, Defendant Schultz then grabbed the Complainant around her neck in a choke hold. Defendant Schultz then stood up and walked to the front of the Complainant at which time he again got on his knees. Defendant Schultz then began to force the Complainant’s head down to his crotch to force her to perform oral sex.

Defendant Schultz then began to try and hold on to the Complainant, at which time her head dropped to the ground. Defendant Schultz again grabbed the Complainant by her head, forcing it down to his crotch to force her to perform oral sex. Defendant Schultz also began to grab the Complainant around her neck, and began forcing her head in an up and down motion on his penis. Defendant Schultz then grabbed the Complainant around her throat to kiss her, at which time she fell backwards striking her head against the wall. Defendant Schultz then grabbed the Complainant and pulled her close towards him. Defendant Schultz continued to hold onto the Complainant until she fell backwards and struck her head again on the wall, with Defendant Schultz falling on top of her.

The Complainant then pushed Defendant Schultz off her as her body slumped to the ground with her head still against the wall. Defendant Schultz then advanced toward the Complainant and began to lie on top of her. Defendant Schultz again pulled the Complainant towards him, holding on to her until her body collapsed again, this time her head striking the ground. Defendant Schultz then leaned his body on top of the Complainant and began to kiss on her body as she lay defenseless on the ground. Defendant Schultz stopped momentarily, looking around the corner and returned to kissing the Complainant on her body. Defendant Schultz stopped and looked around the corner a second time as Defendant Maldonado returned to the location. As the Complainant continued to lie on the ground, Defendant Maldonado stood over her while Defendant Schultz continued to kneel beside her motionless body. Defendant Maldonado then began to back away as he watched Defendant Schultz lie on top of the Complainant again.

Defendant Schultz then grabbed the Complainant again and forced her head to his penis area. Again, the Complainant collapsed to the ground. Defendant Schultz then leaned back and removed his penis from his pants. He then grabbed the Complainant’s head and leaned into her face, forcing his penis into her mouth. Defendant Schultz then grabbed the Complainant again and began to kiss her about the body. Defendant Schultz again grabbed the Complainant’s head as she continued to lie on the ground and leaned into her face, forcing his penis into her mouth. Defendant Schultz repeated this activity multiple times as the Complainant lie defenseless on the ground. Defendant Schultz then straddled the Complainant’s body as he struck her multiple times in the face with his penis. The Complainant began to move her arm and legs, at which time Defendant Schultz got off of her.

Defendant Schultz then attempted to lift the Complainant off the ground but was unsuccessful as her unconscious body collapsed, causing her to hit her head on the ground. Defendant Schultz then stepped away from the Complainant and began to refasten his shirt and pants. Defendant Schultz then knelt beside the Complainant and lifted her forward. Defendant Schultz then placed his body against the Complainant and continued to hold her as he had her body bent forward. Defendant Schultz again tried several more times to lift the Complainant’s unconscious body but was unsuccessful as she collapsed each time.

Unable to get the Complainant to stand up, Defendant Schultz placed her unconscious body against the garage door gate as she sat on the ground, at which time he sat down beside her. Defendant Schultz tried several times to lean in towards the Complainant but she was able to push him away. Unable to remain sitting up, the Complainant eventually fell over on her left side. Defendant Schultz remained seated on the ground and began to lean over her. Defendant Schultz tried one last time to lift the Complainant to her feet, to no avail. The Complainant’s unconscious body once again collapsed to the ground causing her to strike her head against the wall. Defendant Schultz then stood up and walked away, leaving the Complainant lying alone on the ground. The Complainant lied on the ground for several minutes before being discovered by the Witness, who called 911. The Complainant was transported to Washington Hospital Center by DC EMT Ambulance #26 and a SANE examination was conducted."

More of Nick Schultz's opinions on tonight's podcast.

Tonight, starting around 5pm CT, the Bullshido podcast, including more of my interview with alleged rapist Nick Schultz.  He'll be discussing his reaction to being kicked out of the World Grappling Circuit tournament in Houston last month, how the rape charges affected his belt promotion and competition goals, his future training plans, feeling unfairly persecuted, how he'd feel if the NYE assault happened to his sister, his understanding of the legal effect of the jury's verdict, and how he thinks a rape survivor should feel if she trains BJJ with him.

The Nick Schultz portion of the podcast starts around :29 and here's the link:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bullshido/2014/02/09/bulltalk-have-we-got-a-pile-of-bullshido-for-you-today

(the first portion of my interview with him is on this podcast episode, sorry I forget the start time:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bullshido/2014/01/26/bullshido-the-podcast--the-kids-love-this-one-civil-unrest )

Also, this might be a patch (about 5" square) so let me know if you're interested.  Or, you can just steal the jpg and make it your facebook profile picture for a day.  The idea is not mine, of course, but this version of this iconic graphic design came from my friend Griff of Edmonds BJJ (front row, black gi).... design execution courtesy of Sam at NHBGear.com custom patches...